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	<title>Comments on: UD Case File #253-C: Fuel v. Alexandra Gill</title>
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		<title>By: parm</title>
		<link>http://urbandiner.ca/2008/08/03/ud-case-file-253-c-fuel-v-alexandra-gill/comment-page-1/#comment-125667</link>
		<dc:creator>parm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 06:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a film maker, and admittedly I know nothing about the restaurant business, but I could not imagine kicking a film critic out of one of my movie screenings..  why?!?   don&#039;t you want to know what people think of your work?  and how to perhaps make it better..    
Unless of course your work is already perfect.  then I bow to you your holiness..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a film maker, and admittedly I know nothing about the restaurant business, but I could not imagine kicking a film critic out of one of my movie screenings..  why?!?   don&#8217;t you want to know what people think of your work?  and how to perhaps make it better..<br />
Unless of course your work is already perfect.  then I bow to you your holiness..</p>
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		<title>By: Kitsilano.ca - Kitsilano&#8217;s very own blog. &#187; Alexandra Gill not shown the door at La Quercia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kitsilano.ca - Kitsilano&#8217;s very own blog. &#187; Alexandra Gill not shown the door at La Quercia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Gill of the Globe and Mail hasn&#8217;t given up on West 4th&#8217;s eateries entirely. After a soap opera episode at Fuel, Gill has ventured West to the newest contender on Kitsilano&#8217;s bistro pipeline - La [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Gill of the Globe and Mail hasn&#8217;t given up on West 4th&#8217;s eateries entirely. After a soap opera episode at Fuel, Gill has ventured West to the newest contender on Kitsilano&#8217;s bistro pipeline &#8211; La [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
		<link>http://urbandiner.ca/2008/08/03/ud-case-file-253-c-fuel-v-alexandra-gill/comment-page-1/#comment-6023</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 05:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say, I can relate to the sentiment behind refusing Gill a chance to dine and review Fuel again but no matter how I look at it, it was a short-sighted decision on their part. 

Frankly, Fuel is a great restaurant. And everyone around knows it. Gill is simply putting egg on her own face by relishing in a review to the otherwise. And if the currency of a food reviewer is reliability and credibility, she&#039;s shooting herself in both feet by fostering a reputation for being sensationally bitchy. 

If on the other hand her first dining experience at Fuel wasn&#039;t all that then an opportunity to reprise that ill-fated &quot;slowly poached loin of heritage-breed organic pork&quot; should be a welcome occasion for both reviewer and reviewee. 

As for the stand-off now, Fuel&#039;s actions could easily be interpreted as those of an overly defensive and insecure establishment by pro-Gill-ers. And Fuel missed a golden opportunity to prove Gill wrong in her initial judgement of the place. Silly silly. 

The makings of &quot;Pride &amp; Prejudice&quot; foodie styles perhaps?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say, I can relate to the sentiment behind refusing Gill a chance to dine and review Fuel again but no matter how I look at it, it was a short-sighted decision on their part. </p>
<p>Frankly, Fuel is a great restaurant. And everyone around knows it. Gill is simply putting egg on her own face by relishing in a review to the otherwise. And if the currency of a food reviewer is reliability and credibility, she&#8217;s shooting herself in both feet by fostering a reputation for being sensationally bitchy. </p>
<p>If on the other hand her first dining experience at Fuel wasn&#8217;t all that then an opportunity to reprise that ill-fated &#8220;slowly poached loin of heritage-breed organic pork&#8221; should be a welcome occasion for both reviewer and reviewee. </p>
<p>As for the stand-off now, Fuel&#8217;s actions could easily be interpreted as those of an overly defensive and insecure establishment by pro-Gill-ers. And Fuel missed a golden opportunity to prove Gill wrong in her initial judgement of the place. Silly silly. </p>
<p>The makings of &#8220;Pride &amp; Prejudice&#8221; foodie styles perhaps?</p>
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		<title>By: Coco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 01:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imagine if directors banned some critics from seeing their movies... or writers from reading their books...

Set&#039;s a scary precedent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine if directors banned some critics from seeing their movies&#8230; or writers from reading their books&#8230;</p>
<p>Set&#8217;s a scary precedent.</p>
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		<title>By: Captain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Captain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 16:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kates should be put out to pasture as she never deals with the beverage side of things unless someone neglects to refill her mineral water. She, like many from the T dot cannot acknowledge anything from beyond the hallowed boundaries of Ontario. When she did venture to Whistler ages ago her review was completely riddled with factual errors.Alex and Andrew should be applauded for breaking the traditional &quot;free meal,lovely place&quot;reviews Vancouver has been plagued with for years. As Andrew has stated at least Alex has taken the time to go to cooking school and take wine courses to have a firmer grasp on what she seeks to critique while the majority of so called food &quot;critics&quot; barely can grasp the notion of critical  thought as they sing or blog for their supper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kates should be put out to pasture as she never deals with the beverage side of things unless someone neglects to refill her mineral water. She, like many from the T dot cannot acknowledge anything from beyond the hallowed boundaries of Ontario. When she did venture to Whistler ages ago her review was completely riddled with factual errors.Alex and Andrew should be applauded for breaking the traditional &#8220;free meal,lovely place&#8221;reviews Vancouver has been plagued with for years. As Andrew has stated at least Alex has taken the time to go to cooking school and take wine courses to have a firmer grasp on what she seeks to critique while the majority of so called food &#8220;critics&#8221; barely can grasp the notion of critical  thought as they sing or blog for their supper.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Haffey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Haffey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 22:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve enjoyed reading the comments; they certainly add to my understanding of why Fuel did what it did.

I guess what makes me think that it was the wrong thing to do is that it makes the restaurant appear unwilling to face criticism, so much so that they won&#039;t allow a critic to take a second look.  (Not that anything that I&#039;ve done has been worthy of a public review.)

It also makes me wonder if I won&#039;t be allowed back in some restaurant if I let them know that I didn&#039;t like the food, service, experience, etc.  (Paranoid, I know; I don&#039;t write reviews of restaurants, so my comments would be between me, the staff, and my friends.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve enjoyed reading the comments; they certainly add to my understanding of why Fuel did what it did.</p>
<p>I guess what makes me think that it was the wrong thing to do is that it makes the restaurant appear unwilling to face criticism, so much so that they won&#8217;t allow a critic to take a second look.  (Not that anything that I&#8217;ve done has been worthy of a public review.)</p>
<p>It also makes me wonder if I won&#8217;t be allowed back in some restaurant if I let them know that I didn&#8217;t like the food, service, experience, etc.  (Paranoid, I know; I don&#8217;t write reviews of restaurants, so my comments would be between me, the staff, and my friends.)</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Morrison</title>
		<link>http://urbandiner.ca/2008/08/03/ud-case-file-253-c-fuel-v-alexandra-gill/comment-page-1/#comment-5813</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Morrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 07:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You don’t become a food critique by eating out often and writing for a paper.&quot;

Hardly any of the food critics in the world have formal chef training, or any restaurant experience whatsoever. As I said up top or somewhere else (I&#039;ve turned into a comment whore this week!), at least she&#039;s interested enough to go to cooking school. 

So I respectfully disagree, especially with your last line. It&#039;s never a shame when someone reads, and she also just happens to be highly readable too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You don’t become a food critique by eating out often and writing for a paper.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hardly any of the food critics in the world have formal chef training, or any restaurant experience whatsoever. As I said up top or somewhere else (I&#8217;ve turned into a comment whore this week!), at least she&#8217;s interested enough to go to cooking school. </p>
<p>So I respectfully disagree, especially with your last line. It&#8217;s never a shame when someone reads, and she also just happens to be highly readable too.</p>
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		<title>By: Fried Bunny</title>
		<link>http://urbandiner.ca/2008/08/03/ud-case-file-253-c-fuel-v-alexandra-gill/comment-page-1/#comment-5812</link>
		<dc:creator>Fried Bunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 07:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I owned my restaurant I would do the same to her. From several reviews I have read, she has no real clue about food or this business. You don&#039;t become a food critique by eating out often and writing for a paper. It is a shame that there is a crowd in this town that actually follow such writers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I owned my restaurant I would do the same to her. From several reviews I have read, she has no real clue about food or this business. You don&#8217;t become a food critique by eating out often and writing for a paper. It is a shame that there is a crowd in this town that actually follow such writers.</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
		<link>http://urbandiner.ca/2008/08/03/ud-case-file-253-c-fuel-v-alexandra-gill/comment-page-1/#comment-5808</link>
		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 06:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me  this is an interesting development, in terms of how food and wine writers achieve their platforms, what readership they serve,  and in the end, what the purpose of any  published journalism is.

Any PR person would say, I am sure, that Fuel made a tactical error, in some vital way giving the hammer back to Alex. After all, she cannot possibly do anything but gain, in terms of notoriety, from this. and after all, the Globe, like any publication, needs readers, and apparently she delivers on that count.

As for the BC food scene, which is now on the cusp of international recognition, and does not in fact require Daniel Boulud&#039;s blessing, though he will be a welcome addition, food writers, or even self-professed critics, owe it to their readership, and to themselves, to stay educated, current, and above all honest. It will always be reader beware, though, so I would not ever, if were Warren Graghty or any one of the dozens of diners in West over the past night or two, worry too much about Alex, who is doing a job, whether any of us likes how she does it or not.  It is always about what is on the plate, with nods to service and decor, in that order. So if I tell you that Chambar is totally hot right now, can do no wrong, that does not mean it will be the best for you, or even for me next time I am there.  So, a food writer is a guide, nothing more, but nothing less.

That is why I would likely have served Alex, even though the chef would, understandably, have less than good incentive to cook for her. Trumping her, is the chef&#039;s professionalism, and any chef is doing his or her work  not for one solitary food writer.

full stop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me  this is an interesting development, in terms of how food and wine writers achieve their platforms, what readership they serve,  and in the end, what the purpose of any  published journalism is.</p>
<p>Any PR person would say, I am sure, that Fuel made a tactical error, in some vital way giving the hammer back to Alex. After all, she cannot possibly do anything but gain, in terms of notoriety, from this. and after all, the Globe, like any publication, needs readers, and apparently she delivers on that count.</p>
<p>As for the BC food scene, which is now on the cusp of international recognition, and does not in fact require Daniel Boulud&#8217;s blessing, though he will be a welcome addition, food writers, or even self-professed critics, owe it to their readership, and to themselves, to stay educated, current, and above all honest. It will always be reader beware, though, so I would not ever, if were Warren Graghty or any one of the dozens of diners in West over the past night or two, worry too much about Alex, who is doing a job, whether any of us likes how she does it or not.  It is always about what is on the plate, with nods to service and decor, in that order. So if I tell you that Chambar is totally hot right now, can do no wrong, that does not mean it will be the best for you, or even for me next time I am there.  So, a food writer is a guide, nothing more, but nothing less.</p>
<p>That is why I would likely have served Alex, even though the chef would, understandably, have less than good incentive to cook for her. Trumping her, is the chef&#8217;s professionalism, and any chef is doing his or her work  not for one solitary food writer.</p>
<p>full stop.</p>
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		<title>By: david pierson</title>
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		<dc:creator>david pierson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 04:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t agree with you more Andrew... although I voted for silly and immature on Fuel&#039;s part... for too long restaurants in this town got the most fawning coverage and Gill&#039;s and Morrison&#039;s reviews were a great breath of fresh air... although I thought it was a real cheap shot of Gill to run Rob Feenie&#039;s comments on C restaurant when he specifically said off the record...  now that was just going for sensation... but I think her reviews are more than fair and show good knowledge... not like Kates who knows her stuff but is oh so dull and humorless...

yours,

david pierson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree with you more Andrew&#8230; although I voted for silly and immature on Fuel&#8217;s part&#8230; for too long restaurants in this town got the most fawning coverage and Gill&#8217;s and Morrison&#8217;s reviews were a great breath of fresh air&#8230; although I thought it was a real cheap shot of Gill to run Rob Feenie&#8217;s comments on C restaurant when he specifically said off the record&#8230;  now that was just going for sensation&#8230; but I think her reviews are more than fair and show good knowledge&#8230; not like Kates who knows her stuff but is oh so dull and humorless&#8230;</p>
<p>yours,</p>
<p>david pierson</p>
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		<title>By: Alex R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They did what a lot of restaurant owners wished they had the nerve to do. The clear message to me is they took a stand against a single individual, not against food critics.
 The big thing to remember, her job is to sell papers, not to portray an accurate description of an establishment.
 Fuel did the right thing for their situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They did what a lot of restaurant owners wished they had the nerve to do. The clear message to me is they took a stand against a single individual, not against food critics.<br />
 The big thing to remember, her job is to sell papers, not to portray an accurate description of an establishment.<br />
 Fuel did the right thing for their situation.</p>
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		<title>By: jahvay</title>
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		<dc:creator>jahvay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 06:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing immature about their decision.  They are businessmen, and human beings who can do whatever they choose.  They took a stand, when others wish they could, but don&#039;t.  They have beeeg pelotas, not little immature ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing immature about their decision.  They are businessmen, and human beings who can do whatever they choose.  They took a stand, when others wish they could, but don&#8217;t.  They have beeeg pelotas, not little immature ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Knightafter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Knightafter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 00:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And there was me thinking that she got the job because of who she was related to , how wrong can one get :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And there was me thinking that she got the job because of who she was related to , how wrong can one get :)</p>
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		<title>By: Em</title>
		<link>http://urbandiner.ca/2008/08/03/ud-case-file-253-c-fuel-v-alexandra-gill/comment-page-1/#comment-5702</link>
		<dc:creator>Em</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no such thing as bad publicity. That applies to both parties...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no such thing as bad publicity. That applies to both parties&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Luanne</title>
		<link>http://urbandiner.ca/2008/08/03/ud-case-file-253-c-fuel-v-alexandra-gill/comment-page-1/#comment-5695</link>
		<dc:creator>Luanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 18:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I respectfully disagree with William&#039;s comment that Fuel only has to prove to their clients and themselves how good they are.  

If you wish to attract new clients and they have read a review that starts out by comparing the piece of meat served to a piece of male anatomy, that doesn&#039;t create an impression of &quot;I&#039;d like to try that restaurant out&quot;.

This was not a good statement on Ms Gill&#039;s part.  The audience she is writing for (or her employers) may be looking for a different style of commentary  than other food writers, but there&#039;s a difference between wanting to position your reviews differntly and the first couple of paragraphs of her review of Fuel.  

I will go to new restaurants, even if I have read a negative review, if I think the food or concept interests me.  I know I don&#039;t always agree with a critics opinion, but their reviews give me some background.  However, a lot of people do use the reviews to help them choose.    But the negativity of those first few paragraphs was something vastly different. 

I don&#039;t always like Ms Gill&#039;s reviews, but I look for the content in them.  I applauded her comments when she wrote in other restaurant reviews about restaurant music volume as I hate not being able to talk to my companions.  Not many other reviewers (not just in Vancouver) have addressed this issue.  

But I still feel that she set a tone in that review that was very  distasteful, by starting out as she did.  I don&#039;t believe the owners over reacted, it was their decision as to how they wanted to handle her visits  There is a way to critique food that doesn&#039;t have to involve shock value and still be interesting in your writing.

I did visit Fuel after the review was written, but had I not had other information and if that been my ownly source of info, I might have chosen somewhere else, as there are many excellent choices in Vancouver.

I did have a great meal. !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I respectfully disagree with William&#8217;s comment that Fuel only has to prove to their clients and themselves how good they are.  </p>
<p>If you wish to attract new clients and they have read a review that starts out by comparing the piece of meat served to a piece of male anatomy, that doesn&#8217;t create an impression of &#8220;I&#8217;d like to try that restaurant out&#8221;.</p>
<p>This was not a good statement on Ms Gill&#8217;s part.  The audience she is writing for (or her employers) may be looking for a different style of commentary  than other food writers, but there&#8217;s a difference between wanting to position your reviews differntly and the first couple of paragraphs of her review of Fuel.  </p>
<p>I will go to new restaurants, even if I have read a negative review, if I think the food or concept interests me.  I know I don&#8217;t always agree with a critics opinion, but their reviews give me some background.  However, a lot of people do use the reviews to help them choose.    But the negativity of those first few paragraphs was something vastly different. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t always like Ms Gill&#8217;s reviews, but I look for the content in them.  I applauded her comments when she wrote in other restaurant reviews about restaurant music volume as I hate not being able to talk to my companions.  Not many other reviewers (not just in Vancouver) have addressed this issue.  </p>
<p>But I still feel that she set a tone in that review that was very  distasteful, by starting out as she did.  I don&#8217;t believe the owners over reacted, it was their decision as to how they wanted to handle her visits  There is a way to critique food that doesn&#8217;t have to involve shock value and still be interesting in your writing.</p>
<p>I did visit Fuel after the review was written, but had I not had other information and if that been my ownly source of info, I might have chosen somewhere else, as there are many excellent choices in Vancouver.</p>
<p>I did have a great meal. !</p>
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